As a subscriber, you are shown 80% less display advertising when reading our articles. By creating an account you agree to us emailing you with newsletters and discounts, which you can switch off in your account at any time. HMS GANGES MUSEUM. In attendance was a senior officer, medical officer and the master at arms. There was a seamanship officer at the boat sheds. Every letter, every strip of tape had to be in a perfect line. After eating I dashed down to the boat sheds to report for my test. The Royal Navy training mast in Shotley Gate, pictured in 1936, was erected in 1907, A photograph of the base taken sometime in the 1950s (left), with recruits on the mast in 1937, with one recruit just about visible near the very top, John Youngman said his training at the site stood him in good stead for the rest of his life, Warning: Third party content may contain adverts, A pupil band from The Royal Hospital School performed at the event, It is expected to take at least a year to restore the mast at the tip of the Shotley peninsula, across the water from Felixstowe and Harwich. It may not display this or other websites correctly. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. H.M.S. Coronation Day of George VI. The Duke of Edinburgh visiting HMS Ganges in June 1973 Picture: ARCHANT (Image: Archant). At the tip of the Shotley peninsular sits a cluster of abandoned buildings that were once home to hundreds of young lads right at the start of their lives at sea. The HMS Ganges training base, which opened in 1905, closed in 1976 and has remained derelict. 11.00 to 17.00 Saturdays, Sundays and Bank Holidays between Easter and the end of October. Im quite sure few if any boys receiving cuts ever thought to run away again. This was the job of the button boy at HMS Ganges who had to shin up the last fifteen feet or so to climb on the button during ceremonial parades. For breakfast porridge was on offer, that salt-coated gruel I'd been forced to eat every morning of my schoolboy days. The 142-foot high (43 m) mast was erected in 1907. Engineer commander had been on Amethyst up the Yangtse and was quite sympathetic when he was OOD. HMS Ganges had a reputation for its harsh discipline. 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Read about our approach to external linking. Our kit was stowed in small silver lockers that we polished daily, but not like any normal person would stow their clothes. Realizing his mistake he fought back and with no way out he had no choice but to work his ticket. Write to Dave Kindred, Kindred Spirits, Evening Star, 30 Lower Brook Street, Ipswich IP4 1AN. She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. View of the iconic mast at the former HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. A Gannett Company. 2023 BBC. HMS Ganges is a little bit different though, because they have to get the spine road in first and do some prep work. 1903. HMS Ganges Museum is dedicated to the 160,000 boys who went through the gates as boys and marched out as men, from its inception as a Royal Navy Training Establishment in 1905 to its closure in 1976. HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. Used to have chats with old Tick-Tock and RPO Salmon gave me my 1 postal order when the max was really ten bob. Some boys were home sick, some just tried to stay out of trouble, one or two ran away. LRO (G) Served from 1975 - 1998 Served in HMS Ganges. Even by naval training standards life there was controlled by a very strict regime. Now i know why! ", The sailors in training doing exercises outside the gym (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). Jim Gitsham, chairman of the Shotley branch of the HMS Ganges Association, said: "Members will be delighted that he's going down. It was at Shotley Point that the wooden ship HMS Ganges was berthed from 1899, and used as a cadet training ship for the Royal Navy. joined in '63 Dreadnought in the Annexe and Duncan in main camp, Went swimming at Vincent before colling-grad got its pool, and sailing if my memory is not totally shot, I sometimes considered climbing to the top of the mast a tossing myself off. It closed in 1998 or something. May 46 to HMS Wakeful, Training Flotilla for a twelve-week tour from . If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to contact IPSO here, 2001-2023. I came across a clip on youtube that really saddened me and it tells its own story about the UK as it is now and the real fact that such things as pride, standards etc have long been lost and decay and neglect are the order of the day, I do not need to walk very far from my home to see with my own eyes the evidence all around me. Mr Davis added: They have had the last conditions, including the fire hydrants agreed. Posted on February 5, 2019 by irishroverpei. HMS Ganges was a "stone frigate" or land-based institution for the Royal Navy, and between 1905 and 1976 was one of the key training bases used to prepare sailors to defend Great Britain. Sailors' uniforms were a familiar sight in our area until HMS Ganges closed in June 1976. HMS Ganges. I did climb that mast. The cinemas would be packed with rows of Ganges boys in uniform and the caf at the corner of St Stephen's Lane would sell them many cups of tea as they waited for their bus back to Shotley. During the third disastrous week, it spent so much time on the deck I thought I might as well leave it there! and I got seven days 9s. http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/hms-ganges-swimming-pool-shotley-may-2015.t96792, Anniversary Toast - HMS RALEIGH 25th Oct 2009, Telegraph: "Captain Peter Grindal Obituary", Future Ford vehicles could repossess themselves, 10 myths told by Covid 'experts' now debunked. All thanks to my Instructor CMEM LUCKENS . The rest of the class were not pleased to suffer because of one boys stupidity and sometimes made a cruel point of letting the culprit know. Heard so much about HMS Ganges though and it sounded very good for developing 'real sailors ' but as much as I hate to admit it I suspect it would have been too much for me . These were all regular happenings at Ganges. Abuse Details. He was sentenced at Portsmouth Crown Court. Babergh District councillor Ganges, Derek Davis, said: From my own personal perspective I have seen how closely our officers and our planning team have worked with the owners of the site and I can imagine that once the lockdown is over and the guys get started, progress will be made very quickly. Looking pretty in candy-striped pyjama bottoms and naked chests, we were ordered across the parade ground, through the snow and ice, to the 'heads', that grown-up potty land, which had neither doors nor partitions around the bowls for privacy, to partake in our morning ablutions, a most embarrassing experience. She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. I heard many boys saying things like , dont bend over in front of the seamanship officer, or always face him dont turn around. Newsquest Media Group Ltd, Loudwater Mill, Station Road, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich and Shotley . Life on the ship was extremely hard, with a memorial in Mylor, Cornwall, recording the names of 53 people who died while training on it between 1866 and 1899. Martin Foster, 54, of Haig Road, Uxbridge, had already admitted two charges of fraud by abuse of position. The mast was erected in 1907 for boy entrant training purposes using the lower foremast (steel) from HMS Cordelia (1881) with other sections from the mizzen mast of HMS Agincourt (1865). It had been HO (Hostilities-only) traing during the war. Shotley Marina, Shotley Gate, Ipswich, IP9 1QJ. . Didn't like it, there are better ways of teaching than violence, but it hardened me up and made me self disciplined. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. HMS Ganges was a "stone frigate" or land-based institution for the Royal Navy, and between 1905 and 1976 was one of the key training bases used to prepare sailors to defend Great Britain. Discipline was severe, routine constant and fear of punishment loomed at every turn. Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. I just got on with it. They looked like what we didn't, sailors. While the training ship was originally based in Cornwall, she was moved to Harwich, and then Shotley in the 1890s, in order to be closer to a centre of population. An appeal by Woolverstone Parish Council was turned down two years later. 1959 and what a bugger Ganges turned out to be. The greatest fear was of messing up, this meant the whole class was punished. 1914. Former recruit John Youngman said it would be "nice to see it restored to its former glory". According to the HMS Ganges Museum, her timbers were used to make objects including a grand staircase on an estate, and a cocktail bar in a small hotel, both in Devon. Click here to remove banner ads from this forum. "It's very high - you get a good view though.". Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 16 June 2021 . This page is dedicated to the memory of Tony whose commitment to the Royal Navy and especially HMS Ganges was unlimited. Helpful. On the remainder of the command 'Bayonets' the left hand pulled the bayonet from the scabbard, placed it on the barrel of the rifle and, with a quick twist of the wrist, secured it in place. Rumour had it many years ago a boy did fall, bouncing off the safety net and through the Post Office roof. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. The master at arms held a long thin bamboo cane, the instrument of the punishment. I joined up in 1968,three years after my brother, he hated it I was one off the sad ones that loved it, even the kit musters on the mast! There was also a degree of sexual abuse going on at Ganges, but we boys were too scared to ever complain or report such incidents. This was the job of the button boy at HMS Ganges who had to shin up the last fifteen feet or so to climb on the button during ceremonial parades. Was anything in this navy free from fear? HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships from 1779 onwards, but in 1905 it was chosen for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich, where about 500 boy recruits were stationed. Developers Wavensmere Homes and Galliard Homes plan to build almost 300 homes on the site and include a restored mast in the development. It was easy to spot those who had been here the longest. Charles Dickens might have penned it the best of times and the worst of times. He was quite good too. Finally he withdrew his hand and declared I passed the test. Editors' Code of Practice. Ganges Tales of the T.R.O.G.s Paperback - 22 Nov. 1995 by John Douglas (Author), John Wheatley (Illustrator) 6 ratings Paperback 12.00 8 Used from 8.90 H.M.S. The showers at Ganges were just one bare room with several shower heads, no privacy. These adverts enable local businesses to get in front of their target audience the local community. HMS Ganges organisation of meals - covering the galley in the Long Covered Way/messdeck dining, and the introduction of the CMG block /communal dining - dated 1952. c. Punishment of Juniors (U) at HMS Ganges dated 1970. d. Restrictions on the caning of boys as a punishment dated 1929-1931. A Proceeds of Crime Act hearing is due to take place at Portsmouth Crown Court on 23 January. One lad, a Geordie, was drafted early to a Destroyer bound for the Mediterraniann sailed from Plymouth He was washed overboard on his first few hours at sea..His parents never knew of the misery he suffered at Ganges. Read about our approach to external linking. Justin I saw the mast fully manned three times and it was a wonderful sight to see as it was so well choreographed and I was always amazed how the button boy could even get onto the button, when there was a breeze the mast moved a few good feet at the top of it and as I said all he had to hold onto was a knee high lighting conductor. My DO was so unforgetable I can't remember his name, but he ponced around with his handky up his sleeve and a curled lip. The association said it had about 3,000 members and at the time of the offences its income from membership fees was about 30,000 a year. She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. Find out more about HMS Ganges at www.hmsgangesmuseum.com, or visit the museum, located at the end of King Edward VII Drive, in Shotley, IP9 1QJ. He had the misfortune to be placed under the care of two particularly brutal and drunken instructors whose continual bullying and abuse proved too much for this emerging free spirit, . Editors' Code of Practice. Captain Tremlett, the Senior Officer of training ships, was ordered to investigate the situation and reported that Commander Stevens 'had given punishments . She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich (from 1899) and Shotley (from 1905). Dave Walton RN retired. The pipe (whistle) was used aboard ship for passing orders and instructions. When the Gunnery Instructor was finally satisfied, you put the lot back in your locker as before. #42. It was named after a pre-existing training ship by the same name that was launched from Bombay and based at Shotley. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please The next six years passed with regular naval detentions, ( Royal Naval Detention Quarters RNDQs Portsmouth) exhausting punishments, solitary confinements, ending with a twelve month sentence in the infamous HMP Corradino, Malta. The boy was made lower his trousers, but kept is underpants on, he was made to bend over a chair. Today in Naval History - Naval / Maritime Events in History 13 March 1653 - Death of Simon de Vlieger (c. 1601, Rotterdam - buried 13 March 1653, Weesp) Simon de Vlieger (c. 1601, Rotterdam - buried 13 March 1653, Weesp) was a Dutch designer, draughtsman, and painter, most famous for. This punishment was something I never witnessed and can only describe from what other boys told me. Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. Mast erected using the foremast of HMS Cordelia, which was broken up 1904. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please Speaking about the current state of the site, Mr Jones said: "All of the messes have been demolished, as have the laundry and the generators. The lower portion of the mast is steel, extending 18 feet (5.5 m) below ground and 30 feet (9.1 m) above ground. We caught up with Jim Dines, Director of TS Rigging, whose team. 1905 to 1976 saw 150,000 recruits pass through HMS Ganges. HMS Ganges closed on June 6. Maybe we boxed each other in the Shotley annexe! Restoration of the historic HMS Ganges Mast is well under way at Barrelmans Point in Shotley. The skipper was HS McKenzie who went FOSM. While I probably believed the stories, I was still determined to quality for my chain. Early in 1940 Admiralty decided to close Ganges as a Boys Training Establishment and in April it became a Hostilities Only Training Establishment. Read about our approach to external linking. She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. Did my intro to Pusser at HMS Raleigh in ' 52 . St George IOM Boys training 3/5/45 Christmas leave 45 took all kit and returned to Ipswich station, then by the ubiquitous 3 ton Bedford to Shotley where we reopened HMS Ganges as a boys establishment. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. Roger Jones, chairman at the HMS Ganges Museum said: "HMS Ganges was originally a ship of the wooden wall, launched in 1821. For spite I think, because it wasn't compulsory. But, because of the lockdown nothing has really moved and I think, even though construction workers havent leagally been told theyre not allowed to do anything, the owners are a bit reluctant to move. It was as we crossed the parade ground the whole bunch of us suddenly froze and spun to face a huge aircraft-hanger-of-a-building running along its length. It was hard, often . The culprit was brought before the Commanders table, the punishment was awarded as six or twelve cuts. HMS GANGES AT HIGHNAM COURT, GLOUCESTERSHIRE, 1940 - 1942. I was at Ganges in 1955 and went to visit Shotley in 2005 and was surprised to see police signs near the old swimming baths. the reason i remember the date is that it was my 15th birthday, We got shipped out to Suez in October 1956 cutting short our training by a couple of months. Ganges will for ever be the legacy of every young boy who passed through those distant gates to emerge as a sailor and a man. Editors' Code of Practice. Heard so much about HMS Ganges though and it sounded very good for developing 'real sailors ' but as much as I hate to admit it I suspect it would have been too much for me . She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich (from 1899) and Shotley (from 1905). Were you a 'button boy'? They faced what was without doubt the most severe punishment, cuts. We had no one to confide in, our instructors would more than likely told us not to tell tales. Ganges Tales of the T.R.O.G.s Print length 264 pages Language English Publisher Second City Publishers, Penmarth, Cornwall Publication date 22 Nov. 1995 ISBN-10 090681605X ISBN-13 in the RN with the nickname Doc. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS (Image: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS). I arrived at Ganges in the late afternoon on March 15th 1955, along with roughly a hundred other fifteen year old boys. July 27, Awarded the Freedom of Ipswich. The showers at Ganges were just one bare room with several shower heads, no privacy. Maurice was nothing to do with HMS Ganges, in fact he had been a crew member of HMS Hambledon. The former treasurer of a naval veterans' organisation has been jailed for 18 months after nearly 80,000 was withdrawn from its accounts. Registered in England & Wales | 01676637 |. If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to Report abuse. I told him "I don't give a flying feck!" To get out of the showers we had to stand before our instructor legs apart arms raised for inspection. First the older of the two, Maurice WRIGHT JX 657902. CLICK ABOVE TO OPEN GALLERY. Each of us was required to construct a printing block using letters carved in wood. From it came bloodcurdling cries of command, so frightening that I most surely would have obeyed them myself, if had I understood what they meant. later times). In 1905 when the Ganges vessel was finally retired (and towed away to Chatham), the training facility, still named HMS Ganges, moved ashore. www.amazon.co.uk/H-m-S-Ganges-Dozen/dp/0906418003/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269273975&sr=1-1, www.navy-net.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=134/postdays=0/postorder=asc/start=0.html, www.veterans-uk.info/vets_badge/vets_badge.htm. We were ordered to turn around and bend over, if the instructor was satisfied we were clean, we were allowed out. and for those of you who served at ganges and who have't joined the association go on..nothing to lose and you'll find a lot of old shipmates there!! He was an Electricians Mate Class 1 and served in, 12/03/35-09/01/36 HMS Ganges. Read about our approach to external linking. Peter Ohara. Life at Ganges was recalled recently in The Evening Star when a book about the base by Alan Peck was published. 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GANGES; the ship had previously anchored out in the harbour below, at Shotley Gate, on the east coast opposite Harwich. Doesnt sound too bad does it. They looked smarter, more confident, or even downright dejected. Download Citation | On Feb 1, 2023, Olivier Champagne and others published Future change in amplitude and timing of high-flow events in a Canadian subarctic watershed | Find, read and cite all the . Artist's impression showing the view across a residential street at the redeveloped HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. I wondered, sewing, perhaps! Like lots of other boys I ran away from home when I was 14 yrs old and joined the Royal Navy as a Boy Seaman 2nd class. Work on the scheme, which would see 285 new homes, a 60-bed nursing home, a large retail space and areas for medical services, will not be started until a spine road through the site, which will take the bulk of construction traffic away from main roads, is built. contact the editor here. July 5 The old HMS Ganges sails out of Harwich Harbour. From the annexe, I had sometimes seen it, partly hidden by snowy skies as it towered above the buildings, and it looked frightening then, but now, marching beneath its cobweb rigging, it looked truly awesome. At 14 he ran away to join the Royal Navy and 'signed on' for 12 years. . Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS, Independent Babergh District councillor for Ganges, Derek Davis. First time ever looking at any RN sights. George Blake joined the Navy in 1935 and served up to 1950. Anniversary Toast - HMS RALEIGH 25th Oct 2009, Telegraph: "Captain Peter Grindal Obituary", Future Ford vehicles could repossess themselves, 10 myths told by Covid 'experts' now debunked. I was out of there in an instant, but never said a word to anyone, I was just happy it was over and I had qualified. One not only suffered the punishment such as doubling up and down the steps of laundry hill with a 303 rifle held high. David Colwill. The training was tough, brutal at times, yet many of those who came through remember HMS Ganges, at Shotley Gate, with a certain fondness. Yes indeed, they were the best of times and the worst of times. They were both Ordinary Seamen, one aged 17 and the other aged 18. HMS Ganges in Shotley Gate, Suffolk, was a land-based training centre for recruits between 1905 and 1976. Please Login or Register. It. The Admiralty decided that the shore base should bear the name of the original training ship, HMS Ganges. Change). Create a free website or blog at WordPress.com. Every new recruit was required to climb it, not to the very top but to the half moon, about thirty-feet from the top. Back in the mess, this safe haven shielding us from those torturous sounds, the junior instructors' suspiciously cheerful faces greeted us. HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. JavaScript is disabled. She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. The showers usually took place at the crack of dawn, summer or winter we ran from the barrack towel around our waist to the showers. HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. Recruits are shown how to stow a hammock - date of photograph unknown. He was the officer that tested us when we endeavoured to qualify with a bosuns pipe. They say you never forget the place and I agree. HMS Ganges being broken up after training was transferred to the land base at Shotley (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). H.M.S. Registered in England & Wales | 01676637 |. Real posh supercilious bastard. So as I have said already, we kept our heads down aiming for that final day when wed be drafted to a ship. Observer career path/ real life experience. 2023 BBC. HMS Ganges (1821) This page summarises records created by this Organisation The summary includes a brief description of the collection (s) (usually including the covering dates of the. Unfortunately HMS Ganges is no longer there apart from a few buildings and what is left of the mast. Royal Navy 238217 Boy 1st Class HMS Ganges II. There was a way to bypass it for cowards like me, but God help you if you tried using it. "Most of what was on the site went to the naval museum in Portsmouth, but we have the honours board and figurehead from the original ship. We are the largest and fastest growing community of UK forces veterans on the web with over 500,000 members! I would imagine it will be a number of years before we see the final product but Ive seen first hand how quickly they can actually make progress once the builders get going. First Royal Navy ship to visit Eire, post independence? Newsquest Media Group Ltd, Loudwater Mill, Station Road, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. 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