It drives me batty to see little Cece kick her legs in joy in the videos and to know they were stopped forever. I sense some disciplinary issues, and Ive seen her being absolutely overwhelmed as to how to really effectively handle even the most basic of situations. It DOES NOT make her a bad mother when I comment on what I saw and what I think. He may not of been able to face their killings but if he was distant, cold, towards her, like the reports say, he wouldnt of had a problem killing her by strangulation if he was emotionally distant. Also she seemed to have every intention to work things out while he was having an affair and according to him getting divorced. She felt that he is going out to pour oil on the bodies to dispose of them. Her husband spoke to Chris and he was not shedding a tear about his missing family.. Chris said: I freaked out and I did the same thing to f****** her. Then I think he panicked and was scared and didnt know what to do. What are the odds???? @Kaye Im thinking the girls were killed after Shanann because he knew she would look in on them, perhaps kiss them, before turning to bed herself.>>>When he murdered Shanann, how do you think he did it? Its horrible. There is supposed to be a black smear mark on one of her pillows, possibly from makeup she was wearing, indicating that she was crying. Only feces already in the lower part of the large intestine/colon is going to evacuate and even then- it depends on the position of the body, the amount of decomposition and rigor mortis. The autopsy reports for Shanann Watts and her two young daughters show that all three were asphyxiated to death, and it's probable that 4-year-old Bella Watts fought for her life.. They did not even attend the wedding and barely knew their grandchildren from what I gathered. I go on youtube and so many parents are killing their kids. Areas of bruising, external. She had a separate closest for her shoes & purses. Powered by. If Shanann tried to claw his neck I would think he would have cuts there. I havent finished reading the Discovery yet (just at the freaky prison fan mail/hate mail) but I havent read anything yet about any DNA testing of the sheets? I just dont get it. This behavior is opposed to the dignity and respect of another person. Everyone on here who has mentioned ocd has an opinion formed by stereotypes theyve heard. Watts previously told investigators that Shannan's killing. The same instinct that we as parents have to call somebody for help when our children our hurt. Her office was described as unorganized and sort of messy, as were closets, drawers, and things out of sight. Ive not discussed it here though, its in the books. Just like those rare occasions where you laughed so hard you peed in your pants, you will pee and poop in the spontaneous relaxation of your muscles following death. The plea deal meant that he was spared the death penalty, and was instead sentenced to multiple life prison terms without the possibility of parole. If he straddled her chest, and pins her arms down with his knees, she would have been incapacitated. You wrote a book blaming Shannan- seems to me youre just throwing your assumptions around. Yes, there is a way to test whether bodies could be placed through the Thief Hatch with [or possibly without] breaking bones but youre not going to like it, Welcome to the Post Truth Phase of the Chris Watts Case, Exclusive Interview with the Lindstrom Couple, Proof The Third Baby Was All Chris Watts Idea, The Final Three Weeks of the Phone Data Review #2YearsAgoTodayCW. I expect they also make youtube channels of women doing things wrong to say why they hate women, even if men usually do more of those things, If he killed her downstairs how would there have been no movement on main floor shortly after she got home. & he says ah um like yeah theres that too & sort of skips right over it. Kind of comforting too if they were unconscious when murdered they wouldnt have died in fear and terror. The graphic autopsy reports detail the condition of all three bodies after they were recovered from an oil site owned by Anadarko Petroluem, where Chris Watts buried them. @Karen did she get dressed for bed, or did she simply take of her jeans, throw off her flip-flops and decide to settle down for a couple of hours sleep wearing the bra, panties and t-shirt that she arrived home in? He said the blood alcohol is normal after you die. My husband is 62, weighs 190 lb. They say the questions had nothing to do with infidelity so it doesnt matter whether or not he had an affair. And honestly Im sure he had a lot of time on his hands to do stuff. didnt attempt it herself. Much more interest in the case in his home state; in Wisconsin, hes just a number. [UPDATED] | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, Watts Sentencing: Live Coverage and Analysis [Updated throughout the day] | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, Crime News November 2018 | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, The murder of the Watts children at CERVI 319 as Dramatized in FAMILY MAN, FAMILY MURDERER | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs. Remember Nickols son found her cell phone in-between the cushions of the upstairs couch. Donald, the house has bedrooms upstairs and a central family room with a couch and TV in between the master and the girls bedrooms. A tee-shirt and undies is a Sleeping Uniform for many women, another fact. It doesn't appear that the autopsy did a very thorough check. Watts at first tried to claim that when he told Shanann he wanted a separation, she killed their daughters. I was near death before my ex took his hands off my neck. His aversion to it is so blatant, and its obvious why. Read my above post. This is horrific, shocking, my mind is greatly troubled by this aspect. If you read through the autopsies very well you will see that the oldest girl, Bella, actually bit her tongue several times and had many injuries in her mouth. He runs into Ceces room & walks up to Shannan. The coroner even said the way she was strangled is indicative of a person not putting up a fight. Terrifying to think he could have put them in the tanks still alive but incapacitated. He had strangled me while I was pinned down to the floor, face up. She was calling him honey, and being all lovey dovey in her messages to him all weekend. Any attacking motion he made that Shanann saw, even for a second, would have prompted her to scream. Will we ever know the order in which they were killed? Air chokes have been associated with fractures of the larynx or hyoid bone and are considered less safe than blood chokes in these applications. Wow, you are really reaching here. Considering the size of shananns house before they moved there. Or perhaps he left when the sun was coming up because thats when he usually left for work. And all I can see is ShanAnns MLM addiction coupled with the desire to live well beyond her means, to give an impression that she was rich-rich-rich, which Im sure she envisioned as a way to promote her business get new people to sign on. Surprised he didnt run them thru the washer. She texted her GF talking about her being a single mom when she separated from Chris. And in his own words under his own free will he admitted he act it killed his kids twice before that was ever said. How did Shanann Watts die? Heres another: https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2017-11-23-susan-rohde-sustained-too-many-injuries-to-hang-herself-pathologist/. A person with OCD also wouldnt have that much stuff on the bathroom vanity. I actually do not believe that there was any sedation to the girls or his wife. Saying she will be there with lollipops and other things. Then he killed his daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3 at his job site on an oil field. The HORRIFIC, worse than most of us originally thought truth; Bella and Cece were ALIVE on the drive, Bella even commented on the smell of her mothers body on the floor under their feet in the back seat because her bowels had evacuated when she died; its horrific to know that he dumped those little girls, unconscious but still alive out of fear that they would wake up again and the disgusting coward and monster that he is- he said he was FURIOUS that they somehow woke up after he thought hed killed them in thier beds. The carpet was cleaned, and laundry done in the Peterson case. There are FBI profilers who are trained at reading people by what they dont say & in Chriss case sometimes he says too much. Ive linked an article below for everyone to read about how harmful perpetuating this lie is. of OCD triggers and symptoms. I was 59 weighed 120 lbs, so was skinny. (Oh and the bra with pregnant women 100% The T and underwear sleep outfit? C . I have no insight? If she was that tired, yes, Shannan could have left her suitcase and purse downstairs in her own home. I dont believe this was planned because everyone says that its ridiculous that he buried them at his place of employment. He couldnt get into anyways so I dont know what the plan was gonna be after. ( when they were arguing she couldnt sleep & had been crying all night ) What happened when she got home nobody knows, but I do believe she felt comfortable enough to go online and shop. Chris came home and gave consent to search and said that he found Shananns wedding ring on the night stand. etc. The Watts family killings and the financial devastation, infidelity, and what appears on the videos as a mindless neglect of the children overlay all these sad accounts. Good to have a former forensic detective around. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. He snapped and I was terrified of him. I am shocked shes not been charged too. Like 1 in the kitchen by her purse. I cant believe the police let them stay in there. But thats me. All but her office. Chris thought that she was dead? It just seems to me that Bella would actually have had to swallow the oil to get it into her stomach. Hey, I appreciate ppls input but to act all high and mighty and be disrespectful of others by trying to make them look and feel like idiotsI dont care how much you know or how smart you are. Thankyou. And dropped her in alive? Nickole called Chris several times and he kept giving different arrival times. I have to wonder if somehow she woke up and saw what happened to her Mommy. I didnt know what else to do. Also, the fact that he did not want her to come to Colorado with his dad so that maybe she would not be questioned? https://www.childrenshospital.org/conditions-and-treatments/conditions/e/esophageal-strictures, a medical history significant for peanut allergies. If you believe that Chris didnt kill his daughters, then why on earth did he dump their bodies in oil tanks like they were trash? I find it more comfortable & Ive always been afraid of sagging. Chris Watts is the subject of a new Netflix series called American Murder: The Family Next Door. The two girls were found in oil drums. Shanann is very OCD about organization and planned the entire wedding. He just didnt want another baby. Plenty of women do. Triggers related to cleanliness and symptoms related to washing make up only a small part of the range 2. He is very thorough, very professional, analyses and peels back all the layers. I was in one temporarily an Acai drink, it really tried to make you ocd about $ and prestige attaining the unattainable honestly. Maybe im not reading this correctly or i missed it but what proof does this autopsy shows that chris beyond a reasonable doubt killed his kids? What was Shananns cause of death? Nick Van Der Leek is the owner of this site and you are invited to comment, which is a privilege and we should be grateful. The reports show that the bodies of both little girls were placed inside oil containers with a narrow opening that was only 8 inches in diameter. This would explain how she didnt fight! Not on his hands around her throat? Police saw a bed sheet. Youll never see the kids again! WHATEVER!!! They found nothing of any importance under her fingernail scrapings. I have high praise for you, you are excellent at what you do. According to the arrest affidavit and footage from a security camera in the interview room, he failed a polygraph test and subsequently confessed to murdering Shanann. A CHOKEHOLD usually involves cutting off the air supply, (air choke or tracheal choke) a STRANGLEHOLD involves cutting off the blood supply. Since its clear CW is a flagrant coward, I am finding it hard to imagine him having enough courage to have looked at her eye to eye while he was strangling her. Make sense? He eventually disappeared for long time, gave me house. Would he have cleaned up Shannans stuff if he didnt kill them? I also have seen that neighbors vid of the loading of truck & see a female in video helping him load up , and even a small luve figure of a child. Could be so because Shanann had no defensive wounds and he said she didnt fight. With that much free time in the day, she could have gotten a part-time job and brought home real money. She seemed to be in pajamas which indicates she got into bed, which sickly matches up with his barely got into bed remark, The sheets were stripped because they probably got pulled off anyway during the act. He had a plan to kill them all, all along. Shannan wasnt answering phone calls or text and missed her doctors appointment. He has to be asked if he EVER went to look at Bella and see what condition she was in. The second dog was simply a tracker dog, not trained for cadavers but to track a missing person. (He left the house as the sun was coming upmore on this below). The LeVel MLM was a huge contributing factor in this familys financial collapse. Dont forget, she is pregnant. Watts has since pleaded guilty to killing his wife and daughters, as well as a charge of unlawful termination of a pregnancy. Theres really not much to say about this, right? He was adamant that no no nothing like that happened but the female agent is sympathetic & is using a technic which is to put the blame on another person & make him feel less at fault. Nickole Atkinson on ABC: Shanann was very OCD When youre pregnant you do, breasts get tender and the extra support helps. A Stranglehold can incapacitate and render unconsciousness within 5 11 seconds. Quick as law enforcement were to respond to the crime, by the time they recovered the remains of the two little girls, they had been chemical altered beyond recognition. Rossen et al 1943 states that loss of consciousness occurs in five to eleven seconds where there has been carotid and vertebral artery compression. The autopsy report said that Shanann had a "history of being reported missing and subsequently found unresponsive in obvious state of death in a shallow grave." The cause of death was. No other way to put it. The girls were wearing nightgowns, Cece a pink nightgown with birds on it, and Bellas nightgown had a unicorn or believe on it. Debbie do you have a link to that 411 Documentary please? Not one place on his body? The bra thing means nothing, my daughter is big busted as well and slept in her bra when she was pregnant because her breasts that were tender were less bothersome at night if she wore one. I would like to read the discovery how do I find it? Listen to the cop who interrogated him after he tells that stupid story. My son has many medical issues as well, doesnt make me a hypochondriac ffs she isnt here to defend herself maybe back off a bit. Rude person. He then pursued and strangled her there. From what I can understand of the facts in this case- there were no scratches to Chris. She said on one video her kitchen has to be very clean, I know people that have spotless kitchens but rest of house is a mess. The autopsy reports for Shanann Watts and her two young daughters show that all three were asphyxiated to death, and it's probable that 4-year-old Bella Watts fought for her life. A persons muscles relax upon death, including the sphincter. He may have sprung himself on her in the bathroom, came in after her and turned the light off or something, being an easier/tiled place to clean up any traces? The only thing that could have screwed with this is that $69 charge to the Lazy Dog. Again, less bad publicity for LeVel. I was terrified gravity would wreck my boobs. Jami, doesnt make sense. Page 535 Do you think Shanann was the type of person to leave her suitcase downstairs and just go to bed? And where do you think he did it? (blood chokes, carotid restraints or sleeper holds) Think before you speak, Im glad he will never be out of his jail cell. Doesnt mean he couldnt have used his presence in the marital bed to induce her to get close to him and give him the opportunity. Straight up facts. So Shananns OCD personality stopped that night? He was holding me down by sitting on me, one leg on each side of my stomache. However, the autopsy does not detail the size or spacing of these marks sufficiently to form an educated opinion. As someone who has OCD I would appreciate if everyone commenting here would look up the mental condition. Time of death for all three victims is unknown. After 2nd child, changed. No, ONE fully-formed, perfect adult and TWO fully-formed, perfect BABIES. Advertisement. His mom I think knew about it prior. 1. Gallstones form over a period of time, raised hormone levels in pregnancy contribute to them. Not as bright. Chris was ocd also. Ive slept in my bra for 25 years since I got my first breast implants. I hope this is okay, Nick the way the financial counselor walks the wife through her options is important to understand and doesnt appear to detract from your sites mission and goals. No traces of fecal material found, but in the Rohde case there were fecal traces. Police reportsA photo of one of the girls. She often plied them with food and treats and I just felt like she needed to set some boundaries. Its what seems to make sense, based on the info we recently learned. The autopsy is commenced at 1730 hours, on August 17, 2018 on the body of Celeste Watts at the McKee Medical Center, Loveland, CO. So while he would have possibly had more of a mess to clean up with ShanAnn than with the girls, it was contained, unlike the mess of that horrid Patrick Frazee who killed Kelsey Berreth by braining her with a baseball bat. The lack of a broken hyoid bone (called thyroid bone in the autopsy?) At the end of the day there are no good reasons to commit murder, especially of ones own flesh and blood, but there may be valuable lessons to learn from figuring out how this could have happened. Chris Watts destroyed three fully formed, perfect adults. Where was all the money from that house? Also zero evidence that she was in bed. They have no empathy, which enables them to be incrediably cruel, if it suits. And she clearly WANTED the best for them, and she was still learning. She also had Lupus, and was 15-16 weeks pregnant, which could have been the reason why she wasnt feeling well. Chokeholds and Strangleholds are used in martial arts, combat sports, self-defence, law enforcement and in military hand to hand combat applications. The manner of death is homicide, the autopsy for Bella said. Jayne is an EXTREMELY experienced K9 handler she can be seen in action in the Docu-Movie Missing 411. no she was a good mom who looked after her kids! I own this site, and have posted hundreds of blogs, and written 4 books on the Watts case. 2. Strangleholds require little physical strength. Page 453 Im sure he didnt want any questions from her or to talk about anything. I did mention that Shanann was still in love with him and wanted a child with, and wanted to work on their marriage right up until the moment of her death. You may say murder itself is cowardice, but if youre the murderer, youre taking a huge risk, and if youre an introverted murderer, youre being your version of brave by physically confronting and attacking someone. I was VERY proud of my being able to take down the biggest man in my class. I have a question. Did you have to cover something up for Shannan? No, this does not indicate that she was still alive. External bruising may have been caused by the assailant releasing the victim after killing by stranglehold, and the victim falling onto an object which would cause small circular patternation and subsequent bruising. (883931) Full autopsy reports of all 3. For the sake that they did poop, youre assuming he didnt clean it up in the bed. 2 hours isnt going to bed or going to sleep. 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