Subscribe 33K views 1 year ago KONCRETE Podcast S1 E123 Rick Alan Ross is a cult deprogrammer who has been helping people escape cults since 1982. "And sturdy bridges! "You want to be right so bad. Phone:(657)229-1178Web site:Aspire Mental Health, Bill Goldberg, MSW, BCD, LCSW Lorna Goldberg, LCSW, BCD Englewood, NJ Specializing since 1976 in working with people involved in cults and destructive groups Web site: Bill and Lorna Goldberg. But before he leaves, the Sweathogs pull him into the school bathroom and try to deprogram him. The notion of "deradicalizing" and "deprogramming" Trump supporters has been fiercely promoted by those on the left in recent days following the November presidential elections and the storming of the U.S. Capitol last month. Psychiatrist: since 1980, short term consultation to former members, families and attorneysPhone: (310) 277-4199. addy91074be5ee59a2d78187577491ccc5ac = addy91074be5ee59a2d78187577491ccc5ac + 'gmail' + '.' + 'com'; SHAPIRO: Former President Trump has led that attack on the truth on an unprecedented scale. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. document.getElementById('cloakfefae804527880e22aa3cd22f2d08a08').innerHTML = ''; With disinformation spreading on an unprecedented scale, experts in cult deprogramming are turning their expertise to those who have fallen down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories. var prefix = 'ma' + 'il' + 'to'; Then, Benscoter wades in, carefully making the case that anyone can be duped, making sure never to take aim at Queen. In 1995 the coercive deprogramming method was litigated again in Scott vs. Ross. Refresh the page, check Medium. You know, the news ain't going to give you the whole thing. JAY GILLEY: Just having someone tell you you're right and don't listen to people - it just leads you down that path so fast. "I know that sounds outrageous," she sighs, "but I was wasn't stupid, and I just one thing led to another, and it kind of fed into some fears that I had, and it just kind of just pulled me in. GET IN TOUCH. "She doesn't even Google," Queen says, "because she says Google doesn't show you the right things.". A problem shared is a problem halved. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. Email:This email address is being protected from spambots. var addy12e374cf467cf94c035e499fed3d9ec1 = 'consulta' + '@'; var addy_text58e313c97f95266c6ebc9cf6532a97bb = 'cathysharrislcsw' + '@' + 'gmail' + '.' + 'com';document.getElementById('cloak58e313c97f95266c6ebc9cf6532a97bb').innerHTML += ''+addy_text58e313c97f95266c6ebc9cf6532a97bb+'<\/a>'; Email: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. The jury awarded the plaintiff nearly US$5 million in total damages. cult deprogramming hotline Home; About; Services; Testimonials; Contact; Email:This email address is being protected from spambots. It is the catalyst for starting this blog; and it is the reason so many people's lives have been harmed as a result of AA. addy7986d920f3745ab243b59af6f71579f5 = addy7986d920f3745ab243b59af6f71579f5 + 'verizon' + '.' + 'net'; Well, one thing that I think is so sad right now is that the country has been so divided. Phone: (610) 622-3109, Katherine M. Schneider, LCSWPhiladelphiaPhone: (267) 234-7085 Web site: www.KMSPsychotherapy.com, Doug Duncan, MS, LPC and Wendy J. Duncan, MA, LBSW Dallas Specializing in cult recovery counseling with support group for former cult members. Australia has said it would consider a plan to "de-programme" militants held in jail despite criticism by a rights group that it amounted to brainwashing. Visit our website terms of use and permissions pages at www.npr.org for further information. var addy_textf4219bca9ede32acb3a79607cd4c413f = 'therapist' + '@' + 'beaarmstrong' + '.' + 'com';document.getElementById('cloakf4219bca9ede32acb3a79607cd4c413f').innerHTML += ''+addy_textf4219bca9ede32acb3a79607cd4c413f+'<\/a>'; SMITH: Of course, it's much easier said than done. NPR transcripts are created on a rush deadline by an NPR contractor. "Hi, Michelle," Benscoter begins tentatively. P.O. "I think now is the time to start building bridges, you know. Ross is the preeminent cult deprogrammer in the United States and the head of the Cult Education Institute, a nonprofit library with archived information about cults. A small industrydeprogramminggrew up around the posited need to rescue people's children from the clutches of cult leaders, alternately depicted as monomaniacal zealots or sociopathic . Specializing in working with ex and exiting members of religious, secular or treatment groups using a trauma-informed perspectivePhone: (619) 807-9159, John Hochman, MD Los Angeles Email:This email address is being protected from spambots. "They became like the enemy.". BENSCOTER: I know you do. var prefix = 'ma' + 'il' + 'to'; And I think we need to get to the bottom of that, though. Read transcript. The question is whether the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol can begin to steer some of the Trump faithful toward the kind of cult deprogramming they so . BENSCOTER: I think now is the time to start building bridges. "They believe it much stronger.". Thats how many Americans believe that the death toll from coronavirus has been overinflated, according to a July 21 Axios/Ipsos poll. After the forced removal, deprogramming mostly . Cult deprogramming techniques used to change someone's mind Alongside discrediting the authority of the cult leader and presenting contradictions in the group's ideology, a strong emphasis is placed on education. In many places, those conspiracy theories are actually leading to some big policy changes. Anyone can be drawn in, she says, as cultic groups all tend to fill some psychological void. QUEEN: When you are evil, you're evil. Joe Biden, who denounced Trump for refusing to criticize QAnon during a press conference last week. var addy_text3b255930a16b40f719162d87866cd410 = 'hochmanmd' + '@' + 'eurekamail' + '.' + 'net';document.getElementById('cloak3b255930a16b40f719162d87866cd410').innerHTML += ''+addy_text3b255930a16b40f719162d87866cd410+'<\/a>'; Y'know the news ain't gonna give you the whole thing.". var addy9305946a8da6033cf0ae51a493ea258b = 'info' + '@'; Benscoter senses an opportunity to take one more shot at dispelling the disinformation. Email:This email address is being protected from spambots. Phone: (845)-499-0957, Daniel Shaw, CSW Mental health professional that treats cult abuse victims. You want to be right so bad. SHAPIRO: NPR's Tovia Smith, with some additional reporting from NPR's Joel Rose and Sarah McCammon. Newly released reports from the Illinois Department of Human Services' watchdog office reveal shocking instances of cruelty, abuse and poor care of patients who have mental illnesses and. document.getElementById('cloak36636b8776af4b03ad7a9a07dfcdf3b6').innerHTML = ''; Box 455, Lombard, IL 60148-0455 (630) 627-9028 Fax: (630) 627-6829 Evangelical Ministries to New Religions - An umbrella group for evangelical Christian ministries to the cults and new religions which offers resources. She recently founded a nonprofit called Antidote to run Al-Anon-style recovery groups for those caught up in disinformation and their loved ones. You can find this movie on Vudu. addy1d5d405a44b140051bf1a553979856bb = addy1d5d405a44b140051bf1a553979856bb + 'faxtone' + '.' + 'com'; document.getElementById('cloak3b255930a16b40f719162d87866cd410').innerHTML = ''; var path = 'hr' + 'ef' + '='; var prefix = 'ma' + 'il' + 'to'; addyd477c46acce837837ff43023e001dfd2 = addyd477c46acce837837ff43023e001dfd2 + 'colleenrussellmft' + '.' + 'com'; In a classic deprogramming scenario, a cult member is physically abducted and held at a secret location or forcibly detained while visiting home. And that's not what our country should be. addyfd9ed15925585d1f1899766b95a93c7b = addyfd9ed15925585d1f1899766b95a93c7b + 'dreichel' + '.' + 'com'; Phone: (303) 444-0992, Rosanne Henry, L.P.C. So the question is, when someone buys into disinformation or conspiracy theories, how do you help them back out? While delusional conspiracy theories go way back, experts say right-wing disinformation, in particular, is now spinning out on an unprecedented scale. For all the psychological operations, or PSYOPs, used to suck people into a cultic group, experts say, it takes just as much savvy and precision to help them out. var path = 'hr' + 'ef' + '='; "It establishes this camaraderie and this feeling of righteousness and this cause for your life, and that feels very invigorating and almost addictive," she says. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. addy58e313c97f95266c6ebc9cf6532a97bb = addy58e313c97f95266c6ebc9cf6532a97bb + 'gmail' + '.' + 'com'; The term deprogramming has been used since the 1970s to refer to a range of behaviors, all of which are aimed at convincing members of so-called new religious movements (NRMs) to leave such groups and return to more mainstream social and religious lifestyles. If you are a former member of a cult or high-demand group, we invite you to submit your work to be considered for the Phoenix Project Virtual Montreal 2021. It started when he questioned the Black Lives Matter movement online and got assailed. "Well," she says at one point, "one thing that I think is so sad right now is that the country is so divided, people are almost like spitting at each other. Web site: Odenwald Residence, Miguel Perlado, PhD BarcelonaSpecializes in cult-related problems with current members, ex members and victims of abusive relationships.Roger de lure 26, entlo 2B (08010, Barcelona/SPAIN) Email: This email address is being protected from spambots. For example, Hassan will ask a person to recount how they first started buying into the ideology or group, hoping they, themselves, may start to recognize ways in which they were manipulated or led astray. var prefix = 'ma' + 'il' + 'to'; addy08a3115d0b8c7e253703ff3626436340 = addy08a3115d0b8c7e253703ff3626436340 + 'gmail' + '.' + 'com'; This table demonstrates the major similarities falling into each of the three categories. var addy7b57602c4cc4d305ebe32094a0517282 = 'deirdrewilson' + '@'; Overcoming the charisma of cult leaders, such as Jim Jones, is not an easy task. Ingo Michehl, M.Ed., Counseling Psychologist Bodensee, Germany Web site: psychotherapiebodensee.comEmail: This email address is being protected from spambots. document.getElementById('cloakfd9ed15925585d1f1899766b95a93c7b').innerHTML = ''; Hassan says that no matter what conspiracy theory a friend or loved one believes in, the same approach can help them. Modeling QAnon as a cult suggests that "deprogramming" techniquesa kind of "un-brainwashing"could be helpful, but when deprogramming was used in its 1970s heyday, it usually began with. It was the first of many times during their conversation that Benscoter would back off and pivot, in search of even the tiniest patch of common ground. QUEEN: That's who they said they arrested. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. "And we need to get to the bottom of that. SMITH: Before long, they find more they can agree on - that January's violence at the U.S. Capitol was wrong, and so is hurting children, even though they disagree on what's actually happening. addy12e374cf467cf94c035e499fed3d9ec1 = addy12e374cf467cf94c035e499fed3d9ec1 + 'miguelperlado' + '.' + 'com'; The question is whether the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol can begin to steer some of the Trump faithful toward the kind of cult deprogramming they so . Today, experts say the engagement. People there are angry about the local coronavirus response. Many are adamant, like Michelle Queen, that no one could change their mind. var path = 'hr' + 'ef' + '='; Published by ICSA: "Harms associated with cultic groups have been addressed through various forms of self-help, conservatorship, habeas corpus proceedings, consumer protection . Hassan most recently authored The Cult of Trump, an analysis of the president's hold over his most ardent supporters, and began deprogramming people after he left the notorious Moonie cult in 1976. His approach is to "ask gentle questions" and then allow people "to connect the dots themselves. var prefix = 'ma' + 'il' + 'to'; BENSCOTER: You know, that sounds outrageous, but, you know, I wasn't stupid. But Queen was willing to sit down with Benscoter just to hear her out. Use the vacation to have fun, not to press your views onto the person. The poll found that those buying into fallacies are far more likely to get most of their news from social media, friends and family, or conservative news outlets. When Benscoter's conversation with Queen veers off toward an area of disagreement one more time, Benscoter makes one last pivot to try to end on a more congenial note. var addy_textf8cac7ff1581dc987ce8d90a07bec040 = 'sguziec' + '@' + 'gmail' + '.' + 'com';document.getElementById('cloakf8cac7ff1581dc987ce8d90a07bec040').innerHTML += ''+addy_textf8cac7ff1581dc987ce8d90a07bec040+'<\/a>'; Practice making your own decisions, and work on rediscovering your personality. var addy_textd837acf5bd986a89f36638fee3f1630d = 'andreamoore4' + '@' + 'verizon' + '.' + 'net';document.getElementById('cloakd837acf5bd986a89f36638fee3f1630d').innerHTML += ''+addy_textd837acf5bd986a89f36638fee3f1630d+'<\/a>'; Colleen Russell, LMFT, CGP 1036 Sir Francis Drake Blvd Kentfield, CA 94904 Email: This email address is being protected from spambots. var addy1d7636c60bf66e28f720217bac536c67 = 'vanessa' + '@'; JOAN DONOVAN: Social media tends to drive the fringe to the mainstream. Focus on those in recovery from cults and narcissistic relationships.Phone: 408-486-9202 Web site: www.beaarmstrong.com, Rachel Bernstein, MSEd, LMFTEncino Email:This email address is being protected from spambots. QUEEN: That's right - and sturdy bridges, not nothing that's going to fall apart. var addy9ab5a63abd787008bc43f649316071fa = 'sarawaters' + '@'; When a family hires him to meet with a loved one, Ryan says his first step is to do a kind of intervention on the family. The ICSA website also has much valuable information there. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. "I've probably got almost a hundred requests in my inbox," says Diane Benscoter, who's been helping people untangle from extremist ideologies since the 1980s, after she herself was extricated from the Unification Church, commonly known as the Moonies. document.getElementById('cloak9ab5a63abd787008bc43f649316071fa').innerHTML = ''; addyf020b5c9b482943f070d4f6e57a6e054 = addyf020b5c9b482943f070d4f6e57a6e054 + 'bellsouth' + '.' + 'net'; Dont think you can talk them out of it, Hassan said. var addy_text12e374cf467cf94c035e499fed3d9ec1 = 'consulta' + '@' + 'miguelperlado' + '.' + 'com';document.getElementById('cloak12e374cf467cf94c035e499fed3d9ec1').innerHTML += ''+addy_text12e374cf467cf94c035e499fed3d9ec1+'<\/a>'; Acknowledging that joining a cult requires an element of voluntary self-surrender also obliges us to consider whether the very relinquishment of control isn't a significant part of the appeal . Offers a bi-monthly free publication as well as other resources. hide caption. "But it doesn't mean they need to be tortured or killed.". addyf4219bca9ede32acb3a79607cd4c413f = addyf4219bca9ede32acb3a79607cd4c413f + 'beaarmstrong' + '.' + 'com'; var addy3001007811159a16eabbf160ee2e3f2d = 'robertaeisenberg' + '@'; Web site: freemindsuk.tumblr.com. The authoritative record of NPRs programming is the audio record. Cult expert Steve Hassan told CNN on Tuesday that "all of America needs deprogramming" due to the negative influence of President Trump, especially rioters who stormed the U.S. Capitol. Accuracy and availability may vary. Phone:912.795.6662Web site: www.drjacquelinejohnson.com, Steve Guziec, MS, LPC Sycamore Helps cult victims and affected families. As part of a special series on disinformation, we are going to spend the next few minutes talking about why it's spreading, and we'll go inside the practice of deprogramming people who believe it. document.getElementById('cloak91074be5ee59a2d78187577491ccc5ac').innerHTML = ''; var path = 'hr' + 'ef' + '='; Kathleen Lee [2] [3] [4] It was founded in the wake of the 1978 cult mass murder/suicide at Jonestown, Guyana. Annie Reneau. var path = 'hr' + 'ef' + '='; Horshack joins a religious cult and decides to drop out of school to go live with with the cult members. Remind yourself why you wanted to get away, and tell any current members of the group that you don't want to talk to them. We are seeking creative works that reveal the world of the cult survivor. "Deprogramming is a fancy word for a variety of kidnapping," the ACLU warned in 1977, while a 1982 survey of over 400 former cult members found that of the almost three-quarters who had been . 7:15 On Thursday, Vanity Fair published an interview with cult expert Steven Hassan detailing how to go about "deprogramming" Trump supporters, while arguing for a "massive education" effort involving the participation of schools, mental health professionals, law enforcement, media, politicians, and intelligence agencies. And while few cult specialists today claim to do the sort of deprogramming that gained popularity in the 1970s, some anti-cult practitionersand licensed psychiatristsdo still embrace the . 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